Sunday 12 December 2010
The Book
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Saturday 11 December 2010
13:11 |
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I'm feeling the self-esteem becoming pointless right now
like... not the self-esteem itself
but the 'need' for self-esteem
will do
but i want to know youve seen it first
write me a short few sentences now on what you know about self. If you see there is no self, convince me
just what you know, if the clarity isnt there yet we can keep going
but i sense your very close
if not there already
there is awareness (is "perception" a synonym for awareness?)
there is the mind
there are thoughts running inside the mind
there is the physical body
haha no its obvious
but he hates it now
as do i really, its all a little weird when you think about it
the group i added you too
this is the website
the blog is ciarans blog
the arean is the message board
if you go the hall of fame and the list of liberated youll see everyone we've got so far
More with Marco
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Daniel Gillen |
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So for the poor formatting, I'll tidy it up later, just need somewhere to save this:
well, based on our theories, it could be just... like some kind of subject we use as reference
for our physical bodies and thoughts aswell
but, you say there is no self
Well yes, but for now forget all about theories, intellectual understanding is the enemy
You think it's possible that you are your thoughts?
What happens to you in between thoughts?
Does it feel like you exist differently? When you are thinking and you are not?
actually I've been thinking too much recently I don't even have time to breathe
my mind... doesn't... stop
but well
yes, it feels different when you can stop thinking, you start to enjoy the 'moment'
however, that space is a void
it is emptyness
awareness perhaps, yes
but it is not you
trying to attach a soul, morality, ethics, religion, and afterlife to that awareness is ridiculous
those are all creations of the mind
which says
this vision is mine
these thoughts are mine
I am this
But you are not
there is only
does morality exist outside the mind? I think its a useful concept
but i don't think it is real outside of being an idea
But after all this Marco, the challenge is still on you, to really look inside and try and find where this 'you' could be
or is it really there at all?
but i'm pretty certain there isn't. there is a mind, a vision, a hearing, these all come together at one point in time
but that isnt a self, although it does lead to the illusion of self
I was JUST thinking "oh wow, I have changed too much in these 6 months"
but who was I? I don't know
but who was I? I don't know
I mean, who was I before I changed, and who am I right now? there is no solid answer
your mind, becuase it thinks there is a you, creates this illusion
the ego
on this ego you project your beliefs
your confidences, what your good at etc
but this is a lie, entirely without real foundation, and can only restrict you to what your ego says you are
everything you think you arent, is only an illusionary field around you
give it a few minutes, then explain to me whether there is a self
sure
I may not have this concept fully explained inside my head YET but I'm limitless right now... in my 'mind' or whatever you call it
try and see that, there is a mind, in your head, but calling it yours is entirely meaningless
what is this 'you' that owns your mind
sure
I have already felt something like this before
I have a friend who is in college
and... becoming an actor
whatever, I don't know what's the name of the course in english
but he explained to me that there are some exercises that they do for like a couple months
in which they have to start to feel like the character they're going to be acting as
for example, if he's going to play a doctor
he starts to walk like a doctor
so he starts to feel like he's a real doctor
and he told me that once he was already so natural
that he didn't perceive
that he was... him
it's like he was the doctor himself
and I was like... wow
yes sounds similar
if you can see, really see, that everything you thought you were is a lie, everything you thought you couldn't do is a lie too
yes. It's just a mind
floating about in a body, with eyes attached and ears
thoughts exist
and everything combines together and the mind builds a you out of it
but is it true? is there a self? or just a mind? just vision? Just sound? with no ownership
well naturally they are seperate, but they all come together at one point of time
and so the mind creates a self
but really, it is just vision, it is just sound
No see-er, only seeing
There is awareness of everything yes
but it is just awareness
your minds probably running thoughts around
"no no no, these thoughts are mine, this sight is me, i am"
but recognise that those are just thoughts
a mind telling itself it is greater than a mind
but when the mind recognises it is wrong. and is happy to be just a mind
there is stillness
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