Round 2

Where is the self

ayyyy Dan

sorry, couldn't answer you, was busy

Where is the self?

nowhere maybe?

What do you think it could be?

Where could it possibly be?

well, based on our theories, it could be just... like some kind of subject we use as reference

for our physical bodies and thoughts aswell

but, you say there is no self

Well yes, but for now forget all about theories, intellectual understanding is the enemy

You think it's possible that you are your thoughts?

What happens to you in between thoughts?

Does it feel like you exist differently? When you are thinking and you are not?

actually I've been thinking too much recently I don't even have time to breathe

my mind... doesn't... stop

but well

yes, it feels different when you can stop thinking, you start to enjoy the 'moment'

Eckharte tolle points towards the idea you are not your thoughts, but the space in which they occur

(sounds too much like eckhart)

however, that space is a void

it is emptyness

awareness perhaps, yes

but it is not you

trying to attach a soul, morality, ethics, religion, and afterlife to that awareness is ridiculous

those are all creations of the mind

which says

this vision is mine

these thoughts are mine

I am this

But you are not

there is only

these things exist but they aren't attached to the mind

right?

does morality exist outside the mind? I think its a useful concept

but i don't think it is real outside of being an idea

But after all this Marco, the challenge is still on you, to really look inside and try and find where this 'you' could be

or is it really there at all?

sure

whatever you do don't take mine or anyone elses word for it

you got to this epiphany already?

yes

There is no me

that's a challenge there

I'll take it

Please do

and if you find a 'you', let me know where it is lol

HAAHAHAH sure

but i'm pretty certain there isn't. there is a mind, a vision, a hearing, these all come together at one point in time

but that isnt a self, although it does lead to the illusion of self

I was JUST thinking "oh wow, I have changed too much in these 6 months"
but who was I? I don't know

I mean, who was I before I changed, and who am I right now? there is no solid answer

your mind, becuase it thinks there is a you, creates this illusion

the ego

on this ego you project your beliefs

your confidences, what your good at etc

but this is a lie, entirely without real foundation, and can only restrict you to what your ego says you are

I'm starting to feel weird

good

seriously

I feel like I can play soccer like Messi right now

I know the feeling

I mean, there are no limits

anymore

everything you thought you were you are not

fuckk I love this feeling

everything you think you arent, is only an illusionary field around you

give it a few minutes, then explain to me whether there is a self

sure

I may not have this concept fully explained inside my head YET but I'm limitless right now... in my 'mind' or whatever you call it

try and see that, there is a mind, in your head, but calling it yours is entirely meaningless

what is this 'you' that owns your mind

sure

I have already felt something like this before

I have a friend who is in college

and... becoming an actor

whatever, I don't know what's the name of the course in english

but he explained to me that there are some exercises that they do for like a couple months

in which they have to start to feel like the character they're going to be acting as

for example, if he's going to play a doctor

he starts to walk like a doctor

yeah

so he starts to feel like he's a real doctor

and he told me that once he was already so natural

that he didn't perceive

that he was... him

it's like he was the doctor himself

and I was like... wow

yes sounds similar

if you can see, really see, that everything you thought you were is a lie, everything you thought you couldn't do is a lie too

yesterday I told him this whole 'there is no self' theory and stuff and he was VERY interested

then you can be anything

however, thats not relevant to the truth of it

Do you own your mind?

that's exactly what I was thinking about

no, it's like it's totally free to a certain extent

yes. It's just a mind

floating about in a body, with eyes attached and ears

thoughts exist

and everything combines together and the mind builds a you out of it

but is it true? is there a self? or just a mind? just vision? Just sound? with no ownership

the point is to separate all this

right?

well naturally they are seperate, but they all come together at one point of time

and so the mind creates a self

but really, it is just vision, it is just sound

No see-er, only seeing

fine

it's getting clearer one step at a time

There is awareness of everything yes

but it is just awareness

your minds probably running thoughts around

"no no no, these thoughts are mine, this sight is me, i am"

but recognise that those are just thoughts

a mind telling itself it is greater than a mind

but when the mind recognises it is wrong. and is happy to be just a mind

there is stillness